Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. 493. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. Boobster. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. This. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 10 years ago. 1%. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. Both have absolute 100% control. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 9. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. TOAA isn't omnipotent. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. 33. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. 0. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. Follow 4160. . Vize 2 mo 28 d. This. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. Prepare for. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Dude’s absolutely broken. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Beyonder 39%. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Follow 16580. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Featherine. Not even beyonder is that powerful. s. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Wiki Points. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Nope. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. 9. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. Beyonder is beyond the universe. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. The One Above All has no equal. Juntai. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. As. Viners voted on it. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Thought Robot without any effort. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. 4 years ago. Loki God Of Stories 17. No. . In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. . Beyonder, if not. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Beyonder. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. Manhattan. Kuuko273. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Juntai. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. beyonder Yep, lol. Toba Hulk 7. Jayfournines. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. 3 years ago. Forum Posts. SCP 3812. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. Rorschach vs Dr. 0. #1 KingOfAsh. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. 14 years ago. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. In general as the Supreme Beings. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. . Red Mist vs Galactus. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Juntai. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Beyonder is beyond the universe. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. 2. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. -5. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Even if it logically and rationally. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). It is as Cosmic Reign says. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. . 1. 1. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Even The. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. 2. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. In general as the Supreme Beings. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. 3080. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). PR Beyonder, TOAA. 2. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. ago. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. This could also be used as. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. Then things get more murky. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Team stomps 50% . dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. ago. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. The power of love is said to be a threat. Who wins this fight • 10 months. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. Marvel vs DC. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. #12 Edited By Montaq. s. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. 14 years ago. I build with many hands. 14 years ago. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. ". We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. This. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". 5 years ago. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. No prep for either. u/nullfather can attest to that. Both have the same powers. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. It is implied he is God. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. . Jun 12, 2019 #2. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. 13 / 10. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Having incubated. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Beyonder trivially. 12 years ago. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Claymore1998. Victory by permanent death or erasure. The Beyonder in. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). Neither of. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Juntai. 4 years ago. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. 7. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Thanos wins. Battles. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. . M. Beyonder Doom 14. Team 1: The Beyonders. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. 56 results. No . Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. Hajun via feats and implied power. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. @TheLegendary32 said:. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Bait? 1 year ago. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. It is embedded. ago. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. TOAA mops the floor with these two. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. 3. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. 7 K. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. 1. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Everything that takes place is his dreams. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Minor nitpick. #1. 3. Followers. Beyonder: Sonuva. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. The Glory: description and feats. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. . bunker_man • 2 mo. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. -Everything in bleach. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. Forum Posts. . He's the most powerful. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. 56 results. Kitsunw. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Follow 4160. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. #. [deleted] • 8 yr. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v.